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People need to take time to grieve and not rush into a new relationship. I was in a divorce support group for two years. Ann Christine A. Owens wrote: > > > I'd say one of the best ways to get over the pain of a > > breaking/broken relationship is to be in the throes of a newer relationship. > > > Check out who seems to be the ones faring well during a divorce -- is it > > the loney person trying to tough it out on their own -- or the one who > > has the support of a new significant other? Complicating one life with a > new relationship when the previous one has not been resolved is hardly smart; and, as > I stated above, not really very ethical. > > Personally, I think people who get their life together before embarking on a new romance > are demonstrating a better level of maturity.
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Read this interesting article, Divorce, Man's Point of View Available for free downloading at: http://www.netrunner.net/~ruhig -- To send accents and symbols, you may use an ISO (LATIN1) converter. Turn off the STRIP EIGHTH BIT function in your modem or turn the EXTENDED ASCII option on. Re DIVORCE chez DeltaGraphX divorce your movie wife Re Rebound Relationships During Divorce Rebound Relationships During Divorce That 50 Divorce rate myth was Re Something to think about FS Stripminers-Divorce Yourself Re Welfare Even if there was an end to "No Fault" divorce, you could still get a >divorce if you could convince a judge there was a good reason. The current state of the law in most states is that a marriage may be dissolved if it has irretrievably broken down. That is the essence of a no-fault divorce, i.e., that the fault of the parties is not determined. In the fault divorce system that existed at common law, there was generally a doctrine called recrimination. Basically, if the spouse alleged to be at fault did not want the divorce, it could be contested by showing that the other spouse was also at fault. This grew out of the fact that family law derived from equity practice, and the equity courts enforced a "clean hands" doctrine generally.
Re Welfare He is posing as Ken > > > > 1995 Families with children under 18 years of age > > > > Married Female > > Couple Householder > > 6.5 37.7 All races > > 5.9 32.1 White > > 8.6 48.6 Black > > > > Note how marriage is a MUCH bigger factor than race when it comes to > > poverty. > It is the lack of an opportunity cost to having children (lack losing a > job) that leads to greater illegitimacy among the poor. Also, if lack of opportunity leads to illegitimacy, then we should have had less illegitimacy as opportunity for women increased since the early 1960s. Instead, the trend has been the exact opposite. > > > > Some policies that have been proposed: > > > > An end to the no-fault divorce for couples with children. - It is not clear that a divorced family is a better environment for children Children are much more likely to be abused by stepfathers and boyfriends. > > Except that job training leads to a job which sharply increases the > opportunity cost of having children and will lead to a sharp decline in > illegitimacy. Re Welfare Some policies that have been proposed: >>> An end to the no-fault divorce for couples with children. Too many women end up with nothing, thanks to no-fault. No fault divorce and distribution of property are two different issues. No fault primarily determines whether there will be a divorce or whether two people who can't stand each other will be forced to an informal separation without the supervision of the court. Re Welfare Note how marriage is a MUCH bigger factor than race when it comes to >> poverty. > >There hasn't been much mention of race in this discussion of poverty, as >I recall. > >> Divorce and out-of-wedlock birth are the main causes of poverty in America. How do you know that poverty isn't the main cause of divorce and >out-of-wedlock births? Well, I won't address divorce, but I know that many women and families never thought of welfare before they got pregnant. I would have to say that it seems more likely to me that out-of- wedlock births lead people into welfare, though I don't dispute that poverty may well lead to out-of-wedlock births. Re Welfare There hasn't been much mention of race in this discussion of poverty, as I recall. > Divorce and out-of-wedlock birth are the main causes of poverty in America. How do you know that poverty isn't the main cause of divorce and out-of-wedlock births? > > Some policies that have been proposed: > > An end to the no-fault divorce for couples with children. Back in 1960, before no-fault divorce and all, poverty was 50 percent higher than it is today. Re Single mothers Many people, both >men >and women, seem to become quite different people after the wedding than >they >were before the wedding. > I do not however support "no-fault" divorce for couples with >childern. I >believe that, once a man and a woman have (freely) accepted the >responsibility >and obligations than goes with having childern, that the so called "best >interests of the child" over-ride the rights of the father and mother to >"No-Fault" divorce. There should >certainly >be grounds for divorce, abuse, desertion, substance abuse etc, but not >NO-FAULT, >not when there are childern. Re Single mothers Do you not see a difference between those events which are outside of our :>control and those which we can control? Having a spouse die from a car :>crash or heart attack is a damn sight different than making a conscious :>decision to have a child and have the state support it. I wouldn't guarentee :you a welfare check every week, I'd guarentee you a job, with a pay :check every week ! I : believe that, once a man and a woman have (freely) accepted the : responsibility and obligations than goes with having childern, that the : so called "best interests of the child" over-ride the rights of the : father and mother to "No-Fault" divorce. There should certainly be grounds for divorce, : abuse, desertion, substance abuse etc, but not NO-FAULT, : not when there are childern. Do you think that people with children decide to divorce because they have nuthin' better ta do on a Sun. Re: Single mothers Re Single mothers That doesn't even consider separations which don't lead to >> >divorce (some sources state estimates as high as 10% of marriages ending >> >in separation without divorce). The fact that >> divorce rates are so high has a lot to do with the idea that obligations >> are old-fashioned, that if I don't feel good today that something must be >> wrong and that it's probably someone else's fault, the me-generation >> philosophy that says it's OK to pursue whatever I want at the expense of >> everybody around me, and that the concept of shame has largely fallen out >> of our society. Divorce and separation >rates were supressed before "no-fault" divorce and womenn's acceptance >in >the work force during WW II simply because divorce was considered >socially >unacceptable, not because marriage worked any better than it does now. For example, if >you get >married to have and raise childern and agree that once the childern are >grown you will re-evaluate the situation, a divorce after say 25 years >may >not signify a failed marriage since the objectives, to have and raise >childern, >may very well have been fulfilled. There are several things that generally get ignored in marriages: 1) Both parties are obliged to bring their best selves into the marriage, 2) Problems will occur and do require work to resolve like any other partnership, 3) When children are brought into the equation the obligations are greatly increased. Suspension bridges are not used >everywhere, >in fact only about 20% of all bridges are suspension types. http://www.globaltrak.net/gtplacer?location=hitlist&site=dejanews&search_words=%22no-fault%20divorce%22&click_id=850917028.16379 Deja News Retrieved Document  2031
Subject: Re: Mom's Backdoor alimoney: WAS Re: No-fault divorce: An issue of values From: vickicz@ix.netcom.com (Czulie) Date: 1996/10/29 Message-Id: 553pnf$br1@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> Article Segment 2 of 2 (Get Previous Segment) (Get All 2 Segments) consent," exactly, either, although now I understand | that since my consent was given only under threat, not | in a no-fault divorce* been no no-fault divorce, I wouldn't have been able to | divorce him with a no-fault divorce" in response to Deja News Retrieved Document Religious Political Extremists in GOP To Attack No Fault Divorce Religious political extremists in the GOP have not discussed their latest stealth campaign to invade America's bedrooms, but AFTER the November elections they will be pushing for new laws to end no fault divorce laws. Obsessed with telling Americans that they must follow their beliefs about sex, marriage and family Republicans will be pressing for new laws in Michigan, Washington State, Iowa, Colorado and West Virginia. ``Our divorce laws should not make it easy to walk away from personal responsibility and parental obligation,'' Republican Michigan State Rep. ``Why do we have state laws that favor divorce over marriage? The Michigan proposal would revive, in contested divorce cases, the old requirement that one spouse show the other was ``at fault'' - such as being unfaithful, abusive, a drug user or someone who deserts the marriage. Jeff Kemp, son of GOP vice-presidential would be, Jack Kemp, heads the local Focus On The Family affiliate, The Washington Family Council which will be the one of the primary forces lobbying for the legislation along with the usual religious political extremists, Reps.
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Subject: Re: "the Rules"/what do you think? I have met a woman who followed "The Rules" - one of my stepmothers, who was married to my dad for 12 years. Poor guy, fell for the manipulation hook, line & sinker, even though the rest of the family saw right through her. Her true colors showed when she decided she didn't want to be married to him anymore, and in the land of no-fault divorce, divorced him without his consent (he didn't want to divorce her, he wanted to work it out), and then promptly sued him for half of everything, even though she had several millions in inheritance (which isn't community property). So, IMHO, I think women who follow "The Rules" are not the kind of people I would want to associate with, and certainly would not want my friends or family to marry. Dad's getting married for the fourth time next month to an absolutely charming, honest and REAL woman. The People's Interne# 1/ 2 Deja News Retrieved Document -- Matt Pritchard (matthewp@netcom.com) wrote: : Here at Ensemble Studios, not a single child of anyone who works here is : in daycare. When children are involved, quality time is not : having them raised by someone else. A full-time live-in nanny is not remotely like daycare. :-) : Our views may be shaped in part by the fact the oldest among us are in : our early 30's. Certainly a rejection of the Baby Boomers value system : of divorced homes and kids who bond with daycare workers. Yes, but not all people are happy at being full-time parents and an unhappy parent is not likely to have quality relationships with anyone, spouse or children. They are committed to YOUR children and no one else's, they like their jobs or they wouldn't be doing it, and you can instruct them on exactly how to handle your children while you're at work. Deja News Post Newsgroup Articles Deja News Retrieved Document I have found that the pain of being single is far far less than the >pain of watching the love of your life gouge your heart out with a >butter knife and do a victory dance around it. I guess so. It took a hacksaw to get mine! All rights reserved.
Deja News Retrieved Document Re: UPDATE: Utah divorce rate. Yes it is high than national average. Peter Walsh wrote: > Out of curoisity which was prompted by earlier posts of certain > Mormons claiming Mormons have a lower divorce rate than the national > average, I downloaded the latest data from the National Center for > Health Statistics (http://www.cdc.gov/nchswww/nchshome.htm) and came > up with some very interesting results. Couldn't find the data at CDC's site, but I found the same information at http://www.nationalreview.com/townhall/FRC/infocus/if95k7fs.html. ] > The national average birth rate for 1994 was 15.0 per 1000 population. If Mormons can influence the birth rate by 33% over the > national average, its logical to assume the same influence on the > divorce rates (regardless of the fact that the birth rate does > influence the ratio of married to unmarried which in turn affects > the published divorce rate). Deja News Retrieved Document Divorce is the number one cause of people becoming poorer. This should be common sense, since on the average each party to a divorce has their assets and income cut in half. It is quite likely that divorce is the number one cause of poverty in America, even if Republicans are equally culpable with the Democrats for their personal divorces and for enacting laws that make divorces likely but financially devastating for the children. I doubt "women's groups" would go for it, but I understand that giving primary custody and responsibility to the parent with more income is more effective than child support in providing financial stability to the children. If we redefine the women's movement to help them realize achievement, I think equal parenting responsibility would lead to equal career success in the long run. Just as in the case with minorities, programs that help women temporarily but hurt their career potential are bad for equality in the long run. Deja News Retrieved Document >In conclusion, I don't think its a valid approach to use the divorce >rate as an indication of true teaching of the Mormon church. >I challenge anyone on a.r.m to interpret this data any differently >without using any of the simple minded standard circular reasoning >phrases like "many are called, but few are chosen" or "its a sign of >the last days, Satan is deceiving the very elect". In your analysis, you made the valid point that a relatively high number of children per capita has the effect of increasing the divorce rate per capita when measured (as it probably should be) as divorce rate per marriage. However, I would speculate (and I have no data here; I am only speculating - also I'm not sufficiently interested to look for such data) that Utah has a higher percentage of adults that are married, especially people in their 20's and 30's. It is certainly possible that a higher marriage rate could offset the effect due to the higher fraction of children you pointed out. So, if you want to do the analysis properly, you really need the # married people per capita so that you can compute the divorce rate per marriage. Deja News Retrieved Document | Deja News Retrieved Document Re: Divorce- to Core. divorce in Illinois